The Orville

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Sargonarhes
November 25, 2017 - 1:30pm
I've seen topics for other things here, but haven't seen any one here talkin about the Orville. To which some on the internet seem to think of it as the true inheritor of Star Trek's legacy, while trying to stay original. It's not a total parody, but when you have the crew doing the same stupid things any of us do either in real life or in a role playing game. Seth McFarlane has this show going over pretty well.
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
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Tchklinxa
November 25, 2017 - 5:17pm
Oriville is a hoot. I tend to only see bits as I fall asleep but what I have seen is great.
 "Never fire a laser at a mirror."

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rattraveller
November 25, 2017 - 5:45pm
Mostly covered the Orville under the Star Trek Discovery heading.

Like the show but it seems to be finding its heading this season. They have toned down the comedy and are working a more balanced script. Just bummed they cancelled the last episode of the and moved it to next season.
Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go?

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KRingway
November 26, 2017 - 1:05am
I've not watched it yet. Being of a certain age and from the UK, any time I see the name Orville I mentally picture this:

Orville was a green duck from a not all that good ventriloquist act from children's TV.

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rattraveller
November 26, 2017 - 3:54am
I understand, here in the US most people hear Orville and thinkof an old guy who sold microwave popcorn.
Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go?

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Tchklinxa
November 26, 2017 - 2:16pm
LOL
 "Never fire a laser at a mirror."

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JCab747
November 26, 2017 - 4:11pm
It's The Orville!

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Joe Cabadas

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rattraveller
December 10, 2017 - 6:21pm
Okay the Orville had its season finale. Not a bad episode and not one of the best. I do have one question for Seth MacFarlane fans out there. Why does he hate organized religion so much? 

We had 12 episodes this season. Two of which were direct attacks on organized religion. The one with the Krell who kill everyone because their religion which "most races outgrow as they advance" (quote from the show). This week's episdoe pretty much showed a race outgrowing organized religion and Kelly should not feel she got all those people killed because they would have just used another god to justify their actions.
Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go?

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KRingway
December 11, 2017 - 2:09pm
rattraveller wrote:
Okay the Orville had its season finale. Not a bad episode and not one of the best. I do have one question for Seth MacFarlane fans out there. Why does he hate organized religion so much?

It's a comedy show. Why worry? Laughing

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Stormcrow
December 11, 2017 - 2:32pm
I don't think it's hatred of organized religion so much as commentary on the problems with religion dictating policy.

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jedion357
December 12, 2017 - 6:22am
Stormcrow wrote:
I don't think it's hatred of organized religion so much as commentary on the problems with religion dictating policy.


I disagree, i think Rattraveller has hit the nail on the head with the quote from the show re organized religion, "which most races outgrow" the message here is not religion should not dictate policy but religion should go away.

I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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KRingway
December 13, 2017 - 12:00pm
That's hardly a new idea or hate, as such. Let's face it, religion plays less of a role in, say, Western civilisation compared to 500 years ago. Maybe in another 500 years it'll just be something possibly a few humans tinker with but in general it's not really an issue or a factor that has any impact on anyone's life, apart from possibly a small amount of people that find it of use to them. That could be construed as 'outgrowing' religion, but it's probably more to do with it becoming a more personal thing to individuals and not anything which steers societies or civilisation on a wider level.

Human imagination being what it is, facets of any given religion get divided again and again to the nth degree. Keep doing that for long enough and entropy will keep watering it down.

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rattraveller
December 13, 2017 - 2:16pm
While I can see your point of view on that, I live in Alabama where religion just played a huge role in our special election (I will let you guess who I voted for). That is not the point of this and I do see it as hate.

Of the 12 episodes two had dedicated plots to how terrible organized religion is. Episode 6 Krill is about an entire race who commit genocide because their religion tells them too. Episode 12 Mad Idolatry is about how every race outgrows religion and don't worry about it. 2 of 12 is alot to do on the same point.

On the other hand I see it has people just replace their beliefs with newer ones. Bortus and Klytons' race believe everyone should be male. They are accepted as a fully developed species and allowed to keep that belief. In Majortiy Rules no organized religion is depicted but the whole planet fully believes in the up and down system to the point it dictates everything about their lives. Maybe that is an attack on religion maybe not.

Oh and I forgot If the Stars Appear where a race regressed into organized religion. Yeah he hates organized religion.
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Stormcrow
December 13, 2017 - 2:41pm
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace

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rattraveller
December 13, 2017 - 4:58pm
Always liked that song
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KRingway
December 14, 2017 - 9:36am
Some parts of the US and other bits of the world have a peculiar view on such things. It doesn't bother me at all if MacFarlane hates organised religion. I'm an atheist and don't hate religion - I just think it's silly. What I do actually hate is people using religion to further their own agendas, but unfortunately that's a factor that applies to pretty much all religions.

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rattraveller
December 14, 2017 - 2:42pm
Using other things to further your own agenda is pretty much how everything works. But hey you gots to do what you gots to do.
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KRingway
December 14, 2017 - 3:04pm
Well, the history of religion tends to be one where that factor is used time and again, even to this day. It's hardly what one would call progressive or even enlightened. Especially when one considers that the root cause is imaginary beings, who no-one can really agree on even within any single religion Wink Gods come and go, but a lot of people have to suffer for that, in various ways. Seems to be a waste of people and time Wink I'd say that, if all else fails and people really feel the need to scratch their religious itch, worship Father Christmas - mind you, even he's judgemental Wink

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rattraveller
December 14, 2017 - 8:06pm
So what does all this mean for our favorite religion "The Family of One"?
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jedion357
December 15, 2017 - 7:22am
rattraveller wrote:
So what does all this mean for our favorite religion "The Family of One"?


Seth McFarlane hates it.

Star Play Enterprises of Maxe, Minotaur, Theseus is the "Hollywood" of the Frontier. The CEO is Zsa-Nin a yazirian.

We could/can assume that something similar exists in the Frontier- cheap shots are taken from the bully pulpit of holo-vision programs at organized religion in general and a high profile one like Fo1 which does have policies that would be irksome and would be a particular target.

The question is; "Is Zsa-Nin favorably inclined toward the Fo1 or not?"
My inclination is not.

So... Fo1 will not be in favor of Star Play produced programs. They control the whole planet and will bar anything that is critical of Fo1 or GODco for that matter. We can assume that there is animosity between Fo1/GODco and Star Play but that its never really broken out in corporate war. Although, I could see a Fo1 inquisitor accompanied by a squad of toughs showing up at the on location filming of a particularly critical controversial production and smashing equipment scaring staff and actors etc.

Documentary crew is trying to delve into the Star Exodus and the rise of the Fo1 and an Inquisitor shows up to threaten and hinder.

No doubt on Hentz is a Hentz Holo-Broadcasting- the HHB or Hentz Authorized Broadcasting Organization HABO (was trying for HOBO there) or something
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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rattraveller
December 15, 2017 - 3:25pm
Instead of HOBO or HBO you probably should have been going for CBN. 

Hentz might be the one planet where Star Play in not just holovids but where many of their products are not welcome. Since Fo1 does control the entire planet they probably do broadcast all holovids with a slant toward their views. and maybe warnings about other planets views.

Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go?

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jedion357
December 15, 2017 - 4:24pm
rattraveller wrote:
Instead of HOBO or HBO you probably should have been going for CBN. 

Hentz might be the one planet where Star Play in not just holovids but where many of their products are not welcome. Since Fo1 does control the entire planet they probably do broadcast all holovids with a slant toward their views. and maybe warnings about other planets views.



I'm sure that Hentz has its own broadcasting service and most Star Play productions are proscribed.
bootleg copies of star play productions are smuggled in and traded on the black market.
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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rattraveller
December 15, 2017 - 5:47pm
Since no one is allowed on the planet who isn't Fo1 I see a mad adventure something like Nazis in WWII (not the Vietnam Nazis) who were scanning for spies sending radio messages back to England only the Fo1 are scanning for ships in orbit who are transmitting Star Play broadcasts for public consumption or so pirates on the ground can make copies and sell them.
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Sargonarhes
December 16, 2017 - 5:37pm
I saw the episode Majority Rules as a comment on something like Facebook or Twitter, only Facebook has no thumbs down votes for some silly reason. Maybe that's for the best, I imagine I'd get a lot of those. But then Majority Rule is how a total democracy would work, it's little more than tyranny of the masses. As for the Krill and their being religious, you can see it as an attack of religion. I seen it more like the difference between the west and Islam, religion doesn't have as much influence in the west as Islam does in the middle east. I'm sure there are people around that would like their religion to have more influence, but that would be a problem for other religions. And you can't have freedom of religion if one is making all the rules, that's the problem England and Europe was having many centuries ago. Of course it goes the same with any belief system.
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.

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rattraveller
December 16, 2017 - 6:06pm
I've lived in the Middle East, the image the West has of it is not what it is. Yes there are fanatics and those who abuse Islam for their own purpose like ISIS but you find that in the West too. Heck America just recognized Jersulam as the capital of Isreal because the President is trying to appeal to the religious here (his base). Still there are many more who give lip service to Islam as actively follow it, just like in the West. 
Religion on all sides done alot of good too. Many of the charities and non-profits doing alot of work on many fronts are religious in basis. Salvation Army is one example. 
Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go?